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Hey! I realized that I pretty much only talked about the residential side of things and left some of the tactics commercial buildings use until the very end. Well, here’s me now saying that this is by no means something we can’t apply wherever it would work. In fact, many commercial buildings are doing pre-cooling already when it makes sense for them. None of the ideas presented here are new, exactly. But I do think there’s a lot of potential here specifically when it comes to getting use out of renewables. “Make hay while the sun is shining” is a perfect expression, here. In some areas we’re already running into issues where there’s so much solar capacity that we can’t use it all. Rather than wait until we have more electrochemical batteries at our disposal, perhaps we can use all this thermal mass we have. The key thing about insulation is that it slows the transfer of heat. That means it buys you time. The challenge of renewables has always been that the time of production doesn’t match the time of consumption, but with more intelligent control and awareness of a building’s thermal capacity, ability to pre-heat and pre-cool, and the tolerances of its occupants we have a pretty flexible tool for shifting consumption right now.
Ereena Tc
Ereena Tc 7 timer siden
@brayoungful burning hydrogen is nonsense. Platinum turns it 'chemically" to heat far better. Also avoiding electricity's costs on locomotive gets you regen braking. You condense more nitro to stop over MANY miles or downhill with in stock sku'd GE TURBINE AND REST OF RIG. ZERO EMISSION PLUS HIGHLY EFFICIENT REGEN YET WE WASTE BILLION'S CURRENTLY ON MORE DIESEL ELECTRIC ABSURDISM FROM SAME INSANELY CORRUPT G.E. FOR HOW MANY MORE YEARS! CALL YOUR CONGRESS. DEMAND LIQUID NITROGEN RETROFITS OF ALL TRAIN INFRASTRUCTURE.
dogefort
dogefort 14 timer siden
Great "opinion piece"! As for an idea of Turning knowledge into power(storage), look into actual technology options that are available to the customer, (make it a sponsored piece, for good measure). Commercial success fuels growth and this stuff cannot come on line soon enough!
brayoungful
brayoungful Dag siden
You can store solar chemically, too. Overbuild solar/wind then when your generation exceeds demand, dump the excess energy into generating hydrogen. When you need more power, switch to burning hydrogen. If there's excess hydrogen at the end of the day, you can sell it for industrial purposes. Solar/wind companies could be the new "oil" companies.
Jason King
Jason King Dag siden
@Ereena Tc It's not uninsulated. Stop assuming things because you cannot admit you were wrong. It just makes you look foolish. Heat will eventually become exchanged through any barrier, no matter how well insulated it is, especially ducting with a hell of a lot of surface area. The ducting I have is even more insulated than what was recommended. Please stop digging your hole and just admit you were wrong. And I am not watching your spam crap. Stick to the fucking topic and stop trying to sale crap.
Ereena Tc
Ereena Tc Dag siden
@Jason King I hear you correcting your stand clearly but your uh uninsulated duct and hopeful thinking regarding past belief not being mistaken do not Indict. I need you to watch the recent 59 second commercial FUJITSU POSTED HERE ON NOsections TARGETED TO AMERICA'S BUT ONLY ON THERE JAPANESE MARKET CHANNEL? BRO CAN YOU SPARE THAT UNDER A MINUTE? PUT HEADPHONES ON AND HAVE A SEAT!
Mike Richichi
Mike Richichi 7 minutter siden
I was actually hoping he was using cheap electricity at night to pump water into a large storage tank in the attic, and use that falling water during the day to spin a turbine for electricity.
Mike Richichi
Mike Richichi 9 minutter siden
A/C systems are also much more efficient when the ambient outdoor temperature is lower, so you're probably saving money and energy that way as well. The system doesn't have to work as hard putting your waste heat into 65 degree air than it does in 90 degree air. I've been doing a form of this for a while now. Most nights if the wet bulb temperature is below about 65 I just open windows and run an attic fan, cool the house down (usually to 70 or lower) and set the thermostat below 78. Usually the A/C doesn't come on. If it's above 70 at night, we set the A/C to come on at 10pm, cool the house to 73, and let it ride as well. This is more so I can get to sleep because the A/C vent in our bedroom blows right on me.
Suterudo
Suterudo 12 minutter siden
A 16Kwh battery laying around is always useful.
nbarrager Productions
nbarrager Productions 15 minutter siden
When will there be more crack, Alec?
William Skidmore
William Skidmore Time siden
I know this comment should go on the lantern video, but you're more likely to see it here: RP-1, the liquid fuel used in the first stage of the Saturn V rocket, is also essentially kerosene, though it has been Refined Beyond Belief for use in rocket engines
sorphin
sorphin Time siden
We just rented a place in the peninsula in Cali... A/C? What's that? lol.. place hasnt' gotten above 69F even when mid 80s out.
max torrence
max torrence 2 timer siden
what about all the energy stored up in all our attics? even on a mild day, the sun beats down on our mostly dark coloured roofs, turning our attics into saunas; is there no way to harvest all that heat; run your a/c until evening when it finally cools down then shut off the a/c you will feel your house heat up again.. i use a window fan to blow in the now cool air but often times this does not keep up, as the heat in my attic bleeds down into the living space.
Taylor Scheinuk
Taylor Scheinuk 2 timer siden
I just recently got a Nest Thermostat (the basic one, not the Learning v3) free through an energy saving scheme and finally got it working after a couple weeks of futzing off and on with it. Decided to try this out after seeing your vid since my apt is pretty well insulated and realized there was one point that might apply to some folks (like me) which is that if your ductwork itself isn't well insulated or is in an attic area that gets extremely hot during the day, it may be more effective to use ceiling/wall fans to circulate air during the day when the system is off. Otherwise that 15min/hr fan run blows the now-heated duct air into your apartment, raising the temperature a bit. I already had a ceiling fan in my bedroom (and...breakfast nook, oddly) but needed one for my living...area (open plan kitchen/living/breakfast nook) and settled on a Utilitech #FW45-F3, which is an 18" (45cm) diameter wall fan which is (almost) all white, has 3 speeds, an oscillate mode, manual vertical tilt adjustment, and pull-cords to control the speed/mode. Speed 1 is more than enough to move air in my roughly 14'x14' living room area and the difference is extremely noticeable when it gets warmer. I'm in central valley California so our daytime highs range between the low 90s and low 110s, thus my daytime "high" temp is set to 83F and my "sleep" temp to 70. Alas however, PGE doesn't have by-the-hour rates like your utility co does but we'll see how i do.
Day Dreamer
Day Dreamer 3 timer siden
I am pretty jealous of how cheap the electricity is in your country XD. Here in germany it is a lot more expensive. Depending on your provider you pay around 30cent/kWh. The idea younds really good in my opinion. Reminds me of something wie had here in germany when i was a kid (around the 80s and 90s). We had a "Nachtspeicherheizung" (night storage heating). Electricity was way cheaper during the night than during the day back then. So our heaters were on during the night and stored the heat in big blocks (i think some sort of stone). During the day they heated the house pretty well without using electricity at this time. Today the costs are the same during day and night. And i think most people dont use electricity to heat anymore. Too expensive ;)
Joanna Hammond
Joanna Hammond 3 timer siden
I'm in the UK.. what are these magical per Kwh costs you speak of. :D I pay that amount just for gas and that's the cheap stuff. My electricity is about 12-15p per Kwh, around 20c.
itptires
itptires 4 timer siden
Please let us know what kind of smart thermostat you end up with for your heat pump..... Me and one of my buddies both have houses with electric heat pumps and can't find nice thermostats for them due to the need for the "auxiliary" or "emergency" heat elements that have to be controlled by the thermostat
Joe E
Joe E 5 timer siden
Being in Canada , where we have open truss roof systems, I installed an AIR-to-AIR heat exchanger in the roof space ...... then ducting it into an insulated AND ROCK FILLED room in the basement. Even in the midst of winter at -20 or less there was enough sun influx that the heat exchanger would bring the HEAT SINK ROOM up to temp. From there ( the room ) a squirl fan just pumped into my excisting ducting. Energy reduction to 1/4 of gas requirement.
Pence 128
Pence 128 5 timer siden
If it gets cool enough at night you can skip the AC entirely. Just open some windows and run a fan.
Tianhao Tong
Tianhao Tong 6 timer siden
I also thought about doing this myself, but I live in a place where it gets very cold outside during the night (in the 50s) but can get hot very fast during the day and I read from somewhere that keep AC running when it's cold outside is harmful for the AC. Wonder if there's any truth to that
Tech_ 49FPV
Tech_ 49FPV 7 timer siden
Luckily here in PA it "Usually" cools off in the evening and Ill open up and vent all night untill dawn. If I didnt have an upstairs sweatbox apartment I could stretch this longer....
Kalin Kolev
Kalin Kolev 7 timer siden
Welcome to SC, where we pay 12+ cents no matter the time of day......
BRL
BRL 7 timer siden
My ecobee does this already when it knows an energy saving event will happen in the afternoon- pre-cools below the setpoint so we can coast through the defined time. Commercial buildings also do this with a really cool system that freezes a bigass block of ice in a glorified cooler during off-peak times to use it to cool the building during peak cost or demand times later. Pretty slick. Also more unified systems exist that could also do this internally to the benefit of the building as well. The Mitsubishi City Multi has ONE outdoor unit, an indoor distribution unit, and any combination of 'heads.' The trick would be that anyone with a hot water head could 'overheat' the hot water by cooling other rooms ahead of time (assuming a mixing valve is installed) and the benefit is the captured heat is put to use in the same building!
abc123456efg
abc123456efg 7 timer siden
Need a smart water heater to heat extra hot overnight and use a mixing valve to keep the water at a set temperature
Dkxtro2
Dkxtro2 7 timer siden
> come to germany > pay twice the amount of your current energy bill
Electricity taster
Electricity taster 8 timer siden
150% of Technology Connection's energy savings go to buy devices to lower energy use.
Artur Antczak
Artur Antczak 8 timer siden
You looks like some one from Romania. Beautiful county btw.
vinny 998
vinny 998 10 timer siden
That is a badass jacket
loganjhunter
loganjhunter 11 timer siden
For folks that think that getting a smart thermostat will break the bank - do a rebate search on your power company's website. I managed to get some Sensi ST55U thermostats (no C wire needed) for $10 each. Easy setup with a decent app.
Roland Katsuragi
Roland Katsuragi 11 timer siden
14:20 Makes well enough sense
Fireball XL-5
Fireball XL-5 12 timer siden
You keep your house at 74 degrees? You are an energy hog. My home is at 82 degrees. If you can't survive that temperature (unless medically necessary) then you are an hypocrite.
Mia Shinbrot
Mia Shinbrot 12 timer siden
This does make me feel optimistic.
Samuel Hinnen
Samuel Hinnen 13 timer siden
Here in switzerland we have had this for ages and it is mandatory. For example boilers are deactivated during peak hours by a device that gets a signal from the mains (modulated on the 50Hz). I have to mention these regulations are different from provider to provider.
dogefort
dogefort 14 timer siden
When you do your passive-house video, throw in how you can use this energy storage scheme to save money and put those savings toward financing retrofitting insulation and upgrading older homes.
SISYPHUS VASILIAS
SISYPHUS VASILIAS 14 timer siden
"Shedding load...blunt instrument...it sucks"
dogefort
dogefort 14 timer siden
Punch the like button if you want your neighbors to also use this one simple trick.
Shudnawz
Shudnawz 15 timer siden
I want to try this with our mid-80's home, just not sure how the kids are going to react to a freezing house in the mornings...
Key Em
Key Em 15 timer siden
The overall concept behind this is called "intelligent grid". Consumption is regulated with regards to production. The simplest way to do so would be a dynamic price that is known to all consumers. So they can decide at which price which device should be switched on, even at which level. If this was widely deployed, the grid would adopt to the production...
Lizica Dumitru
Lizica Dumitru 15 timer siden
Is 6 cents a kiloW? I'm paying 45 cents a kiloW in California in the peak hours!
Glenn Mitchell
Glenn Mitchell 19 timer siden
Would you also store wind energy by reversing wind turbines and creating more wind during periods of low electricity demand?
Rene Chaddock
Rene Chaddock 19 timer siden
The greater the temperature difference between inside and outside, the faster it will conduct heat between the two. I don't know if you covered it because the video was a bit long for my tastes today, but if you didn't already cover it you probably get huge energy savings by running your air conditioning when it is colder outside. Makes the heat transfer very efficient - You could probably also just pump in cold outside air into your house at night and do without the air conditioning, but if your system is efficient maybe that doesn't make sense....
NightFlight1973
NightFlight1973 20 timer siden
My class A mono blocks are great in the winter, suck in the summer.
JeffJeffrey
JeffJeffrey 20 timer siden
I guess you can set your thermostat for low temps of say 65f for the hour in the morning just before time of use costs go up so youre not freezing your ass off throughout the night. my "dumb" thermostat has settings for 6am , 8am, 5pm, 10pm. Im gonna set the 6am to 65f and the others at 75f. My house is 75years old and not super efficient but ill see what happens
Nick Werner-Matavka
Nick Werner-Matavka 21 time siden
Confucius say, "Man with four balls-can not walk!"
qopoy dnon
qopoy dnon 21 time siden
So the most important point in this is having a house in all day shade...
Sahan Theegala
Sahan Theegala 8 timer siden
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Charles Strawser
Charles Strawser 22 timer siden
I love the idea! Thank you for the explanation. By the way, your foreshadowing, earlier in the video, talking about a majority of energy costs being heating and cooling, was effective for me!
Collin
Collin 23 timer siden
I want so badly to sass you about living in a place too consistently hot to ever have the AC off, but you were so thorough at acknowledging that this isn't a universally applicable thing.
qopoy dnon
qopoy dnon 21 time siden
until late afternoon. At 4:00 pm when the rates go up and the demand goes up we raise our AC to 78. Then by 7:00 pm the outside will cool back down to the 70s, we shut off o
Keith Grant
Keith Grant Dag siden
...and if you're fortunate enough to live somewhere the temperature drops into the 60s at night, even during most of the 90-degree summer, you don't even need to use power to do it. Just throw open all the windows overnight!
ganzeige
ganzeige Dag siden
Imagine having air conditioning in your home. This post was made by the European Gang.
locthebard
locthebard Dag siden
dear plump Mid-Western cousin, this video is IMHO too opaque to non-engineering peers. Though the video essay is good an 100% accurate, you are using lots of jargon which means nothing to the common folk.
SilverLine
SilverLine Dag siden
Heat waves come and go, nothing new. I remodel homes and last fall was working on a house that once was a barn from way back, I'm guessing Late 1800's or early 1900's, And underneath the third layer of flooring, Which was nice hardwood floor, They had put down newspapers between the hardwood floor and sub floor. The first paper I picked up was the front page of a paper that no longer exists. I think it was The Marion Sun, Maybe Star, Don't remember exactly. But the Date was July 1943 Headline was, 106 Dead of heat stroke last week, We don't hear much of that anymore. I wish those newspapers weren't half stuck to the floor, they were in remarkable good shape and full of reports about WW 2.
Arpad Toth
Arpad Toth Dag siden
Passive home: where the fart goes?
Arpad Toth
Arpad Toth Dag siden
search: How Nest thermostats work with Rush Hour Rewards
Arpad Toth
Arpad Toth Dag siden
If we don't keep demand maxed out then they will get lazy and dont develop fussion reactor.
Chad Forquer
Chad Forquer Dag siden
Back in the late 80’s the Arizona power company would charge off peak load. Me and my dad would install load controllers on houses. This device would only let so much power to be used at one time. So if your AC was on you couldn’t use your dryer. It was very effective at lowering bills.
Jeff Leiseth
Jeff Leiseth Dag siden
You must have MUCH better insulation than I do. Renter so I can’t improve it.
Mastermime
Mastermime Dag siden
I tried this. I usually keep my house around 65'F, so I set my thermostat to 60'F overnight and turned it off after I woke up around 6AM. But the temperature got up to 70'F by 10AM. So maybe this doesn't work if you're keeping your house temp that low.
Ereena Tc
Ereena Tc Dag siden
Folks the printing press had problems with humidity. So dehumidifying technology was developed. People are not printing presses however and most people don't have printing presses in their house. Most people want to remain healthy and happy. They don't need to liberate the water in their body into their air. But they're using technology design to reduce the humidity in their home in the summer. This is because the way you make more profit is by selling things that are more expensive. It is not because people cannot have the technology that they need for far less money and potentially the same profit. That's what intellectual property can do. Somebody who can teach you how to keep your body cool when the windows are open and it's high temperature high humidity air that's blowing through your house can charge you far more for their time than somebody who's making you buy precious metals and enough electricity to incinerate you a thousand times by the time you go. What's missing is the free enterprise system. People like me who are willing to volunteer my time so that you don't f**** the planetary systems further are not able to be heard. We are not able unless we are elected to spread the gospel of science. So the world is a sucker for predatory corporations like carrier like general electric. General electric is all about electricity and electricity is all about fossil fuels. It's not about banning cigarettes back when you could have saved entire countries from cancer that is a bankrupt the entire world. We know that in contemporary history finding out how babies come about is very very appreciated by the people who need to prevent themselves from getting pregnant but it is not appreciated from those who need their children for Cannon father or to help them make money literally on the backs of the unsuspecting. So we have passed laws against sharing the news about why people get pregnant. We have locked people up for allowing people to not get pregnant. We still want to make it illegal for people to not have children should they have failed to prevent themselves from getting pregnant. It is the same thing with thermal intelligence. Other people know that they don't have the ability to eat too many calories without becoming too large this is not a good analogy for what's happening with heat. I have referenced fat because if you don't want to overheat you can reduce the internal heating of your body by selecting your foods appropriately. But real thermal intelligence is based upon knowledge and wisdom. That means you know how to talk about the amount of heat that is getting into your body versus the amount of heat that is leaving. You don't want to have the former exceed the latter unless you are eating ice to remove the heat that way LOL. But almost nobody has any literacy about how much cold water you have to drink to prevent the heat that your digesting say a Big Mac will generate. This basic literacy about physiology exists even in people who have spent decades in school. So then you have people saying go ahead and deliver the child we will you mainly slaughter the baby before it recognizes anybody's faces before anybody becomes attached to its laughter and we will feed the hungry people on this planet with that meat. Such a business is very saintly compared to the HVAC industry. I dare declare that we don't need either corporation. We literally have without prescriptions the ability to buy Nationwide in America a couple pills to prevent sexual intercourse from resulting in pregnancy despite the insemination being many hours before the purchase. We have the internet where people can learn what I refer to in my comments about this program learned in the details of the universities that in Singapore have the Cool tube demonstrating what is most important is allowing the body to radiate heat while preventing heat from being radiated into the body. They accomplished this by using the same plastic that is commonly found in what we refer to as ziplock plastic bags just to bag that you might put a peanut butter and jelly sandwich in for eating later? The molecules of that plastic can be low temperature without being heated from contact with humid air. We call that having a low temperature dew point in my comments. That allows you to separate dry air that surrounds the evaporator coils from the air in your house. That allows you to use the evaporator coils to cool the surfaces that you want to radiate your body heat into without those cold surfaces being heated by the humidity blowing through your house! that is what is key in terms of only paying the pump the heat from your body's out of the house. You don't want to pay to remove the heat that's getting into your house with the cracks or the open windows. You want to make sure the cold surfaces that your body naturally radiates heat into from a distance of many feet do not get exposed to the humidity in the house. In the film The graduate the Young brilliant man is told plastics matter and I guess he was told something true when it comes to low density polyethylene film which is what we refer to by ldpe. Some people will be amused by the irony of air conditioning being engineered to do precisely the opposite which is the pump the humid air at Great expense into a box where materials that have extremely high dew points maximum 2.0 temperatures on those copper or aluminum surfaces in your air handler box. That's what maximizes the energy consumption of reducing the human beings body temperature which is the result of using technology designed to keep a printer from jamming instead of technology designed to keep you healthy happy comfortable and with lots of money in the bank and with a planetary climate system that has not been destroyed. Ronald Reagan was mentored by general electric. Donald Trump builds upon the work Ronald Reagan did to cite the principles of American democracy the last famously I said blasphemy with the ously on the end so that would be spilled b l a s p h e m o u s l y. Would America is actually about is for people to go to their local store and pick up something for like $20 to a couple hundred dollars that doesn't cost anything to operate and helps not have to close the windows in the summer. America corrupted prevents such technology from being available to the people well idiot monsters like Donald Trump argue the businesses protected by such corruption are good businesses and therefore deserve survival at the expense of all life on the planet. For reasons too simple and complicated enough for not everybody to fathom I disagree most strenuously and 100% completely. We must keep hope alive and we absolutely must let freedom rain. Anything less and we will continue to suffer hell on Earth, increasingly so.
Bill Keith Channel
Non-hybrid EV's add to the grid problem and is the method that personal owned vehicles will eventually be made illegal (Hegelian Dialectic). Everyone will "rent" temporary cars to travel and be taxed by the mile.
steffankaizer
steffankaizer Dag siden
i do this and i dont even have an ac. i just open the windows at night and let the walls cool down and with enough thermal mass it stays cool all day if you keep the windows closed. we need to get rid of those cheap bullshit rockwool + toothpick houses
JokeDeity
JokeDeity Dag siden
For those of us who absolutely HATE the cold (or even cool), this is not that helpful, sadly. 75 is a fine norm for me.
Karjis
Karjis Dag siden
Some local network operators required system to cut load on peak demand in 80’s. Basically that cut was preventing water heater and fixed electric heaters being on at the same times during peak loads if network was in high load. I used similar smart thermostat setting in heating in old apartment, i had a plan with about half price from 10pm to 6am. Basically 23C at night and 19C at day. So it was basically exactly the same as yours but just for heating. I had electric heating then and it was rare to heating to kick in before 10pm because it was ”storing floor heating” meaning the resistive element is inside 4inch concrete slab, not st the surface but right in the middle.
Jason King
Jason King Dag siden
The advantage of living on the west coast with a cold ocean is that even on days when we get well over 100 degrees the nights will cool down to the 60s. So we open our windows in the evening once the temps drop to the 70s, leave the windows open all night and all morning until the temps outside go back up to the 70s. We can get our house down to about 71 without using AC at all. After the temps outside go into the upper 70s (about mid to late morning) we close everything and the house is still in the mid 70s. After we close everything up and the outside temps climb into the 90s and 100s the house will get to about 78-80 in the late afternoon. We have our AC set at 76 and it will not turn on until late afternoon. At 4:00 pm when the rates go up and the demand goes up we raise our AC to 78. Then by 7:00 pm the outside will cool back down to the 70s, we shut off our AC and open everything up again. Our AC will run for about 2-3 hours total and most before 4:00pm And we have solar and battery. During this time our AC is completely off the grid anyway.
Gavin Davies
Gavin Davies Dag siden
Given that heat and movement are the two most power hungry users of electricity, maybe encouraging everone to shift over to electrically powered heaters and cars, while simultaneously having a green lobby doing it's best to block any power generation that isn't solar or wind, wasn't the best of ideas.
R.A. Monigold
R.A. Monigold Dag siden
THANK YOU ! !
patdthomas
patdthomas Dag siden
This is kind of what I did last week when we were scheduled to have our heat pump replaced. A hot sunny mid-July day in Florida without AC is no picnic, so I dropped the thermostat way down and closed all window shades several hours before the work was to begin. The installation was completed by 4:00pm yet the interior temp was not unbearable. BTW, the unit we had installed is a two stage inverter system. We're already seeing a substantial drop in energy consumption.
Robert Williams-Day
I live in the UK, like most people in the UK my house is over 100 years old. I can't find anything about the average age of uk house but id be willing to bet it's 100+ years. New house in the UK are legal required to last 2000 years. I read somewhere that most house in the US is built to last a generation. Looking it up now it seem the average age of a US home is 37 years. The problem with a 100 year old house is that it was build to a different power systems, ever room has a fireplace and it such up sun light. This means that in the winter it's cold and the summer its baking
Dale Twokey
Dale Twokey Dag siden
Oh man, Texans can finally understand Russians.
Alyx
Alyx Dag siden
"Shedding load in certain areas" Let's be real, it's the poor. I love our battery discussions! I wonder if the excess AC cooling strategy would be more tolerable if directed into giant pillars of cold packs, like an insolated inner-wall fridge
dafuckingenious
dafuckingenious Dag siden
This video is basically an american realising that you can live without AC
Kung Fu Zing
Kung Fu Zing Dag siden
It would be good if we had the option of these plans in Australia, My power bills average $1200 a quarter.
Paul Miller
Paul Miller Dag siden
Spot on with rationale. Principle was undersold though...point of use control (load) rather than supply control (generation). More pressing problem with Duck Curve is rate of change than capacity. Becomes more complicated with competing interests; CO2, Habitats, NERC, etc .
Tobi Berlin
Tobi Berlin Dag siden
A very important episode !!!
Mitchell McCormick
California commenting here: I’m in the exact same boat of conservative energy consumption, as well I like to sleep cold. I have pgandg and my bill is $498 this month in the summer. I know people that spend about 1000 a month. I live in Northern California with many hydro projects (lake Tahoe, sly park, loon, Folsom lake, and 12 others). Trust me I’m a California hippie but what price is too much? Many people that make 70+ a year don’t sleep at night due the heat, and the cost of cooling down. In the winter people burn wood due to the dramatically lower cost; if you cut your own wood. The smog due to this in the mountains sucks. People would die if they didn’t have the wood option though. People die every year due to the inability to pay for cooling in the valley too. Can’t we just find a way to make energy cheaper that way we can keep people live in the meantime???
Angelo
Angelo Dag siden
But don't you lose efficiency the further down you set the thermostat?
CAR912
CAR912 21 time siden
It (usually) happens to be cooler at night, so that offsets most of the cost, if not making it more efficient.
jasmine2501
jasmine2501 Dag siden
I tried this but it's sort of useless in Arizona except during the winter. It does work then though, and the Nest programing does help with that.
Abram McCalment
Abram McCalment Dag siden
I’ve been thinking a lot about time of use lately. It really is a no brainer that at least new construction should require solar energy collection and at least encourage thermal mass addition in house design. Cool to a lower set point and dehumidify like crazy when the duck curve is low and coast during the afternoon load ramp and overnight. Honestly it will take some ‘reprogramming’ of users but can be done. Honestly the fact energy generation fluctuates so much even on peak days should be more than enough to show the folly in the ‘the grid can’t handle everyone switching to EV’s’ fallacy. The fact is, the average EV will consume about 10kW per day once they’ve permeated the market. Maybe 15 when including TRUCKS. Still, in this impending future employers will likely have to provide charging infrastructure so that time of use can align with solar production but even then there’s adequate generation headroom overnight to make it happen without causing problems.
Jon Firestone
Jon Firestone Dag siden
I’d like to see a video on Thermostatic mixing valves and using them to increase the thermal capacity of a hot water heater, while also limiting the chance of legionella in hot water tanks without the risk of having scalding water come out of your tap.
Mason Howard
Mason Howard Dag siden
"Assuming the buildings are somewhat modern, well-insulated and have good windows" Bold of you to assume this of American infrastructure.
Benjamin Burkhardt
Try living in Southern California in the summer months. I do try to keep thermostat higher at 78. In most months in LA I can do without AC. But we need AC here.
Dan's Spot on the Tube
My house was built in '70 and had original windows. Replaced them all and added more attic insulation. Huge difference!
Markino K.
Markino K. Dag siden
Don't you live in Illinois cuz I do too and nearly 50% of the power here is generated by nuclear it's only a very small percentage that is renewable is that small percentage still enough for the effects that you were talking about to work
seeni gzty
seeni gzty Dag siden
16:48 are we just gonna gloss over the casual use of FREAKING POWER SUITS?
Fixitall Paul
Fixitall Paul Dag siden
My Dad started doing this in the 60s. We had a huge wholehouse window fan. At night it would exhaust hot air and one open window in each room would allow cooler outside in to cool off at night. In the morning off with the fan and close the windows.
seeni gzty
seeni gzty Dag siden
intentionally have window AC units, because I only use an AC in a room I'm in when I can. And cut my own styrofoam insulation panels for them, attached with painters tape. U
SirPootsAlot329
SirPootsAlot329 Dag siden
“just ask any british person” lmao why would i ever talk to a british “person”
martin borrick
martin borrick Dag siden
I know where to go in the event of an apocalypse
Dunkelelf3
Dunkelelf3 Dag siden
nice video. i once saw this documentary about the problems with the grid. it was about the uk but well. same shit everywhere. the us, the uk, here in germany. doesn't matter. and this guy managing the grid would literally watch a popular uk show that aired between 3 and 4 pm and juice up the grid once it ended as like a bazillion people would run to their water cooker to boil water for 4 o'clock tea as soon as the show ends. crazy stuff. if you missmanage predicting the demand well enough everything will break.
Floofy Prawn
Floofy Prawn 2 dager siden
My house exhibits very similar characteristics to yours, regulating the outside temperature so that it's always warmer than the outside at night and cooler during the day, usually somewhere in the bounds of 62F to 74F. The interesting part is that it does it in a completely different way than most houses. My house has terrible insulation, and even has all single pane windows, and instead has a massive amount of thermal mass, with the walls all being logs. It's been a nice surprise learning how comfortable a log cabin can be with me living here year round, and makes me question many things I've learned about historical log cabins.
l0rf
l0rf 2 dager siden
Is this some sort of insulation joke I'm too European to understand? Jokes aside, I live in an upstairs room facing south with two large windows. I basically keep the room cool by rolling down the shutters and relying on about a foot of insulating materials and triple glazed windows with solid shutters. If it wasn't for my pc, the room probably wouldn't warm up at all.
ledgeri
ledgeri 2 dager siden
I felt the "it is not a cool little thing, i hate how no one cares" vibe :)
smileyeagle1021
smileyeagle1021 2 dager siden
Your proposal to have the utility lower the thermostat a few hours before a high demand period when it turn the thermostat back up is exactly what NV Energy does with their PowerShift program. This idea is starting to take off already and hopefully will only become more common.
invisibledave
invisibledave 2 dager siden
In the summer, my house is 81F at night and 89F in the day.
raiderxx
raiderxx 2 dager siden
What thermostat do you have?
Tomasz Płókarz
Tomasz Płókarz 2 dager siden
Let's just build more nuclear powerplants, stop burning coal and hydrocarbons, and forget all that crazy renewable bullshit.
Mighty1Bob
Mighty1Bob 2 dager siden
hype vid. great idea. im only sad because my house is in super sunshine. but i feel you. i dont use my clothes dryer during peak load hours even without load pricing
Fred Mertz
Fred Mertz 2 dager siden
Maybe vent the dehumidifier out a cat door. Those things run hot
William Brightwell
William Brightwell 2 dager siden
We pay 35c per hour in Palmerston North, New Zealand
Just Some Person
Just Some Person 2 dager siden
I also wanted to agree with you about insulation and how freaking stupid it is that the governments (local, state, federal) don't invest HEAVILY in helping people insulate their homes better. Not the topic of this video, but it could be ranted on f o r e v e r because it's such an obvious yet neglected piece of common sense.
Just Some Person
Just Some Person 2 dager siden
Personally, I use a similar method even though I don't get neato variable energy rates. Only, I use window fans. Exchange the hot summer air at night when it's cool. Close up the house during the day when it's hot. (I have *never* understood why a system for this is *not* a common component of central air. Even *car* ACs have a recirc button!) I also intentionally have window AC units, because I only use an AC in a room I'm in when I can. And cut my own styrofoam insulation panels for them, attached with painters tape. Ugly, but highly effective. Cooling the whole home for one room is ... less than ideal. But I could easily see in-floor heating *and cooling* being a good use for this. With an insulated cistern. Store thermal energy (or negative energy) in the cistern when energy isn't at peak use, to release when it is. Not something easy to retrofit, but for *new* home design...
Steve M
Steve M 2 dager siden
My electric company has peak hours. During the summer, it's 4-7pm Regular rate is 5.1c per kwh. For the peak charge, they pick the highest 1-hour usage during(from 4-7pm) from the billing cycle and charge $12.00 per kwh, yes twelve dollars. (before peak rates, it was 11.1cent per kwh) While this sounds bad, it really isn't, especially if you take steps to reduce use during that time. I have an older house(1970), not the best insulated, 1700 sq ft. and my bill usually runs about 70.00 a month, and yes, I keep it cool in the summer, warm in the winter. Today it is 92°, so at 12pm, I have the thermostat go down to 72° from 75°, it cools the house well so that the unit does not run between 4 and 7pm. Thereby saving as much as 36.00 each month, just from the air condition. Of course I have taken other steps, upgraded to a higher efficient dual fuel heat pump 5 years ago, installed newer double pane vinyl windows, replaced 1 exterior door that was a single pane of glass with an insulated(and much better security) door. Installed all LED bulbs, put a timer on the water heater along with low flow showerheads. With a 38 gallon tank and the low flow heads, while power is on, you can stand in the shower for hours, or 20 people take a shower back to back and still not run out of hot water, and while power is off, 3 people can shower before running out. So your bill sounds really high to have a well-insulated house! Something you may want to check into before getting a heatpump, they say to set the thermostat no more than 20° lower than the outside temp? But this does not apply to regular units. www.wltx.com/video/news/verify/verify-ac-thermostat-cool-temperature-weather-heat-pump-energy-home-summer-hot-wfmy/83-28e4b8ba-2788-40a4-9b09-3b4d12715bd9
Artemirr Lazaris
Artemirr Lazaris 2 dager siden
If I had a temperature choice. I would have my place at 17 celsius all the time, no deviation. I find I can think faster and clearer in colder climate, and my body generates more then enough heat. 20-24 often feels like its getting to hot.. after 27 and up it feels like moving through a slodge of irritation...
SvexTheDragon
SvexTheDragon 2 dager siden
Posting this comment to boost engagement :)
castform5
castform5 2 dager siden
17:12 somewhat modern, well insulated, and have good windows, seem like 3 things american houses are often not.
William Winslow
William Winslow 2 dager siden
Economy 7 seems to be being phased out recently in "Britain". I used to have them but most modern homes and "apartments" now have central heating here (Glasgow, Scotland). AC is very rare here as far as I know but I wish I had it recently.
Zoravar .K
Zoravar .K Dag siden
Try an air circulator like the meaco or vornado pointed at the ceiling, combined with a dehumidifier, it works wonders in apartments without ac. Also super efficient.
Eti the Spirit
Eti the Spirit 2 dager siden
This is brilliant!
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